Category: Zone BBS Suggestions and Feedback
ok, it would seem that the children have exited the kindergarten and have decided to infiltrate the zone with that word that crashes jaws again, and quite frankly, the users have had enough of it. yes it's true that dictionaries can be updated, but we are getting more and more new users who may not be aware of the problem until it arises, and we shouldn't have to ignore countless numbers of users purely because they cannot behave like adults. moreover, using the sight to crash individual computers is as good as hacking in my book, so I would like to propose, that anyone who uses that word, have their quicknote and board post privilages withdrawn for a period, after all, this has nothing to do with freedom of speech, it is, in my view, hacking, and shouldn't be allowed, anyone in favour ..
count me in! it's not original! it's not funny! it's not clever! after all why should perfectly innoscent people have to keep restarting there machines just because there screen reader has crashed and they haven't got a clue what is going on! this isn't a freedom of speach issue at all! it's just nasty childish people on some kind of power trip! well lets see how powerful they feel when they have no rights to say anything to anybody for a manditory period! definitely in favour! thumbs up!
Hey, sounds good to me!
I wholeheartedly support this idea. After all, a great many of us use JAWS to navigate this site, and it is effectively preventing us from enjoying the Zone. So yes, I think punishment of this nature is in order for anyone who uses this word.
When it first happened i confess i did find it pretty cool, a nifty little trick, but there are indeed people far less computer literate than me, who wouldn't have a clue what's going on. now it appears that people are doing it on purpose to crash the computers of the more innocent new users of the zoneBBS, and although told repeatedly that this trick is now out of date, and quite frankly pathetic, they still persist! i'm definitely in favour of these idiots getting punished. really guys, we need to move on and find something else to talk about i feel!
count me in. yeah, i've updated my system but that's not stopping them using varients of it which i don't have, so any motion to ban is wholeheartedly supported.
I would have to agree it is totally wrong. it shouldn't be tollerated
aye aye,
lol i'm thinking that dougo2002 is feeling indeed remorseful for his turn at that irritating little C word earlier. looks like your partition's working wonders SB! well done!
How disrespectful of people to do such a thing. I agree to the banning. It is completely unfair to sabbatage anyone elses computer and ruin everyone elses enviroment just for someone to get their giggles.
I don't have joz but I've seen what it can do,
and I think that peple hou do this kinda thing shood be given
a worning with no privleges
then have thare acont taken away!
It's not right!
We wer al new users at one point, wood we have liked
that! NO!
That is my thinking!
Tracey!
but like i was saying loopinsgirl, when it first happened, i thought it was quite funny, i did it myself to a few people and watched the effects rather amused. but it's seriously spiraled out of control now and something needs to be done about it!
well to be honest I never found it amusing, and I updated my dictionary pretty quickly so that the word didn't affect me. however, I am reliably informed that in some of the colleges, it is not possible to save changes to the jaws dictionary or to download the patch to fix it, so those users have no choice but to have their computers crashed ever time some juvanile decides he fancies having a laugh. quite what people get out of it I shall never know, but .. well takes all sorts I guess.
i really think that sucks, surely it's in all jaws users' best interests to be able to fix that problem? i mean, i can understand colleges blocking certain programs like vt, but a fix? i really don't think that's clever.
Some people have far too much time on their hands ok why not skin him alive!
if i may say so goblin, could you elaborate? that looks a rather out of place message....
First of all, come on people this is not hacking, hacking is, in short, getting in to other peoples system to make changes/make their computers unsusible I don't think something like this can be compared to hacking. This is using or rather obusing a loophole in elequence TTS software. Also rememember that this only affect jaws users who use eloquence so I bet you anything that those idiots who do it use some other synth. Like louise, I admit, at the beginning after initial shock that something like this is possible, I kinda plaid about and did it a few times just for the amusment sake. I am generally against banning anything and very much for the freedom of speach, but as said already this is definitely more than just freedom of speech and there could be many new users who may not be very computer liturate or maybe even not be aware of this problem, so I think and do agree that something needs to be done about this. Apart from banning, maybe there could be a filter that wipes out/filters this word/s? Just another suggestion...but I agree tht there's no need for people to go through this just because of childish behaviour of some number of members.
It could be your man from Japan..smile .. whoever it is they need to get a grip!
ok vanja, firstly, whoever said anything about hacking? secondly, as i said earlier i'm also in great favour of free speech, but in an environment as public as this, surely there have to be limits? thirdly, i'm not talking about a permanent banning, as i stated in a previous message.
I like Internet King's take on all of this. The part I like best was the idea of creating a word filter within the zone itself that would not allow the dreaded C word to come through on quick notes. This would take away any fun in typing it. I've also heard that there are variations on this word that produce the same result. Filter those as well. For the record, I read about this well before I was a victum of it so they didn't make me restart anything but jaws.
that sounds a bit technical! ok, a suggestion for you all. someone types C A E S U R E, they get found out, they get their quicknotes turned off for 24 hours. do it again, they get them turned off for a week. do it a 3rd time? they get their quicknotes turned off permanently. they're still free to express themselves through the boards, and play the games, and if they abuse this by writing the same word on the boards, that implicates a permanent ban. what do we say to this?
I'm deffinatly in favor of some sort of punnishment, say turn off the offender's quick note usage for thirty days, then if it continues, turn off quick note usage permanantly.
biko here, I agree with you on this subject. They must be punished.
and how long would you punnish them for?
well like i said, look at my previous posts stargate, there's a suggestion there.
I wish I knew what you were talking about. A word that someone types and it crashes JAWS?
it is spelled, c a e s u r e. it's not even a real word. it's just a few letters some idiot made up to crash elequence, the speech engine for jaws. incidentally, the software talks for mobile phones also runs on elequence, so, if someone sends you that word as a text message, boy you're in trouble, since talks is much more difficult to restart than jaws!
anyone who intentionally crashes others screen reading software on this site will not like the consequences. I consider this to be a form of loop hole abuse. And none of this kind of behavior is tolerated on the zone. You are not directly attacking the zone, but it disrupts the behavior of other users. If you have any problems with this, feel free to write me and complain. I highly doubt anyone has any problems?
Liam, once in 1 day is fine, but 3 times? is it any wonder we wish something done about this? i'm sorry, but the way i see it, there were several new users on when it happened, who consequently had to reboot their machines. so of course when it had happened for a third time, we'd had enough!
I am sorry but I strongly feel that there should be some type of punishment!!! Today, it happened 3 times and I was the one who constantly had to reboot Jaws. I am telling you!!! It! Is! Not! Funny!!! When I told the sender of the word to please stop, he just laughed and said that there is a patch or whatever that you can get to stop Jaws from crashing! I do not care if there is a patch. I do not care if I can put it in my dictionary to have it stop from crashing. I do not care if he wants a laugh at my offense. I am not going to tollerate having my time on the zone disrupted because of some immature idiot. So this creep needs to be punished!!! Thank you very much!!!
*sexy*
And this is why I turn mass quick notes off. And only keep private quick notes on. I heard about this a while back and I'm sorry I can't provide a hard date and time on the matter but someone told me some ass was having fun using a word to disrupt jaws. If it's one person can't you all either turn off mass quick notes til the matter is solved or just hit the ignore link? Or go on the top of the page that show's the number of users online at the momment and if he is still there, click on his username and grab the user's number and go into your account settings and BLOCK the guy yourself? I mean I can understand if there's two or more people involved but if it's a isolated one person doing it for rage and revenge (who knows what the motive maybe) then really just ignore the guy. If the he continues to pester people THEN I can understand action being taken. I'm not a jaws user, but I do use a pacmate and once in a blue moon I'll connect to the zone via pacmate ONLY with mass quick notes turned off so that I'm not bombarded with QNs but I've never had a problem with anyone using certain words to crash jaws.
blindvi, you turn of mass quick notes for a great many things, there is some god with the bad so you are missing out on things too by turning them off.
But well, internetking, I kindof disagree. I think using a software loop hole constitutes hacking, after all most viruses are fairly harmless and the worst they do is to restart the computer or crash software on it such as Outlook or internet explorer, this is exactly the same thing, in my view anyways. Sure it's ultimately the programmers faut who left the loop hole in eloquence but loop holes have been left in most software just due to the complexity of it and I can see why or how that could easily happen. I am in favor of simply filtering this word out. It's simple for developers/the admin to do .. it's easy in php parsing the incoming string and removing the word from a message and that would take careof any banning etc which would place more work on the community leaders.
I thnk it'd be the easiest slution all around.
cheers
- B
people, people, we're working on it. Trust me, we don't like it anymore then you do, but the point is it's happening right now. I, along with the others are trying to come up with solutions for this, because this is malicious behavior that is disrupting the cite. Just give us time, and as soon as we come up with something, it'll either be posted on the cite news, or on one of the boards.
Thanks for all your help and cooperation in this.
yeah, that sounds good. I think filtering or at least taking away qn privaliges for a while would work. But you don't have to reboot your sistem, just jaws. LOL.
thank you MD for your quick response to this one.
It's a mildly annoying little Eloquence exploit--not distructive or a security threat. an Eloquence restart, dictionary add, or change of tts engine will get you 'round the problem. I suppose the Zone maintainers could take Freedom Chat's approach and filter these exploit words.
-Dave
I agree with the last post. I must admit, I tried it on freedom chat and it told me, message blocked, eloquence exploit.
there's a few other topics where this has been discussed. dictionary manager doesn't always work. this of course is irelavant. those who are responsible will definetly be hearing from us.
How feckin childish can some eejits be this creature obviously needs a good bollocking I can't stand such infantile behaviour..
I downloaded the patch earlier today. And as I arrowed down the list of dirivitives of the word that I have in my dictionary, it still crashed. So it appears that the patch doesn't do a very good job of filtering out the word now does it? It only protects you against 2 or 3 words.
I would love to know how someone actually figured out that this word causes elequence to crash, after all, it's not even a real word!
Yeah SB i must say that intrigued me too, the fact that someone actually sat down and thought, hmm, i know what i'll do today? i'll play around a bit and see if i can find a word that crashes jaws! lol! does anyone have any idea who it was?
In response to all post about the c-word, I would just like to say I was the one who caused the evil cruelty to JAWS, and that I am sincerely sorry. I realize there is a fix, and shouldn't have tested it on a public place like the zone.
well done for the apology cantsee3p0, but the fact of the matter is, although you seem to have done the courtesy of posting an appology, this doesn't solve what has now become an ongoing problem.
May be someone misspelled ceasure and that's how he/she discovered the word or may be someone was testing Eloquence with a dictionary type ofprogram that threw together words, passed them to Eloquance and saw the response, it should be fairly easy to do.
Do you realise that very few members will ever trust you again ...away you go and grow up!.
agreed, Goblin!!!
Well if you don'tdo it again, it's okay. I'm glad you apologized on here. Great job.
is it though? he did write it 3 times in a row once, did he call it testing the fix then? or just plain pratting about! well he'll have to do a hell of a lot to redeem himself in my books!
We only have his word that he wont try again and how much is that worth now!
regardless of that, he's not the first, and I'd like to bet that he won't be the last!
They really shouldn't introduce young children to computers it leads to all kinds of hassle...
that's just it though, this individual isn't a child, well not in body anyway lol
he seems to have the mentality of 1 and many young children are computer literate
yeh tell me about it. they reckon that at age 3, a child can operate a computer mouse ... the other night i watched a programme where a 7 year old had intercepted his father's credit card and bid for an item on e bay ... sorry .. going off topic now ... back to topic ... how much did the CL's have to threaten you to apologise cantsee ...
lol i just think he's worried about his rapidly falling street credibility... oh hang on, did he even have any to start with?
well I think it might have something to do with the fact that virtually everyone put him on their ignore lists to stop his flooding and crashing of computers, so now no one's talking to him.
all those who have him on your ignore lists can't hear what he's saying! he's saying things like why is no one talking to me, why does everyone hate me? honestly hasn't he figured it out yet? lol
I agree although c3po apologized, I think that was ignorant and he deserved to be on everyone's ignore list.
Well now that I come to think about it, you are right. But let's first see if he really does it again, before we put him on our ignore list.
I'd just like to point out that that word that crashes jaws *is* a real word. According to some google searching (done without eloquence), its the plural of [c a e s u]ra, which is a type of pause used in ancient poetry. So some people would have a legitimate reason to use it. The dictionary manager fix is misleading, because in the dictionary manager, dictionary processing is turned off. Therefore, if you navigate to the crash word, jaws will crash, and there is no way you can manipulate the entry. Also, where does one get that patch described in an earlier message?
The only thing I can recommend that would fully solve the issue for zone users is a filter, as has been pointed out in previous messages. Btw, if anyone wants to discuss that word in its true context, they can use other forums for that <grrin>.
Just my two cents worth.
Graham
Ohh hell another year and Louis will be logging on ..HELP!
Whoever's doing this should have their heads clearly examined. And I totally agree on the punishment thing. This word is getting too old now and not only is it getting on my nerves talking about it but it's getting to other people's nerves too. I hope this punishment is a resolution for this word once and for all.
Well maybe suspention for one week, but any harder one is not fair anymore as he apologized.
well well! a real word eh? that surprises me!
once again, thats why I use jfw in another language... even though reading english with it is not as good it at least helps
Why does this word crash jaws at all?
Dear old Eloquence. It, I bet ya, was something the programmers put in for a bit of a laugh.
Odd one there, pianoman. Wonder if it'll come up in something like "Cyrano De Bergerac?"
Oh right, hahaha. Wonder if one of these words exist in German jaws.
guys there is a patch that jfeedom has issues to fix that. I admit i did crash a few people's computers but I did apologize for that and if I didn't sorry for that. Ban them if you want but people will do what they want.
aw man? that was fun crashin jaws on people lol
I don't think it's fun. The only itme I did it was only my own computer, just to try because I am curious. But as soon as other computers are concerned, it stops being funny.
re. electricity's comment, i think that's the kind of individual that people were referring to earlier when they were talking about kids and computers and juvanility! he and C3PO would get on brilliantly!
It doesn't cause jaws to crash exactly, it causes Elequence to crash. Which jaws can use as it's software synthisizer. I solved this problem by switching to DecTalk Access 32 software Synthisizer. It works nicely with jaws.
It crashes every jaws thing in German jaws.
Has any one actually worked with FS on trying to figure this out. It almost sounds like a program break that the programmers can use to halt the synthisizer. Is FS even aware of the issue, they may not even know about it. And in addtion, what does it do in other FS programs, such as Openbook? This may be worth investagating.
JG
Good quesiton actually.
well as has been ointed out in posts above, there is a patch for it which would indicate that FS are aware, seeing as the patch is posted on fs's website.
well, if any of you have the free upgrades, Jaws 6.2 has it totally fixed now...without even needing to download the patch, but...a lot of users on the zone will still give you the patch if you ask for it. Still, if people post the word, please report it, and we'll deal with them. There are lots of ways of contacting us. One of us is usually on the cite, and all of us have at least 1 other way of contacting us outside the zone.
Laters all!
Guys I have to tell ya, this is a really good topic because this will tell people who don't know what the crud there doing, and what there doing is real! This is not a laughing matter, because I think people should have fun in life, and what I mean by fun is fun on here! We are not supposed to have to put up with this kinda crap! I'm like all you guys, people should be band because of this kinda crap that do, because it will teatch them not to ever, ever, ever do it again! The filter is also good in my mind, and I got one thing to say to these people who do something like this. People you think you can get away with something like this? No! Not any more! Look at the first part of the page ware it tells you that your loggin is sucessful! There is a poast ware it talks about all this! You better pay attention, or elce! Now let me get off my soapbox! Thank you!
I agree, Zak.
It happened again, hehe. On the sex-addicts-board. I can't believe ... didn'T this user read the warning?
wow ines you read the sex addicts board? wow and here was me thinking you were so innocent! *grins*
U oh hehehe. Was just curious. I'm not innocent - not that innocent anyway. Don't think that of me, please, lol.
no problems for me, but that's because i'm using another synth.
btw, i thought that if you type the word to replace it in the dictionarry, when typing the word, doesn't jaws crash than?
what word crashes jaws? how do those bad folks do that
If you use these letters without spaces, c a e s u r e, jaws will crash provided eloquence is the default synth, and if it's an older version of jfw than 6.2. But you can download a fix for older versions of jaws.
Regarding the dictionary solution: You can type the letters (how else to add the exception), but, when moving through the dictionary items, your Eloquence may crash on the list item, since dictionary processing is off in the manager.
I think the person
who does that to your computer should have there zone name took away
for ever
that is a mean thing to do.
I think the person
who does that to your computer should have there zone name took away
for ever
that is a mean thing to do.
Well the fact that it is only crashing jaws and not the whole computer - I honestly think it is a bit too hard if you take the zone membership forever. I think the way it is being handled here is all right.